Chris has nothing to worry about. These people are on the same level as "Anonymous" (the people who joke constantly about pedophilia, minorities, etc.), in that Anonymous took over their site a couple of years ago. It was once a haven for those of us who wanted to see all sides of an issue, or at least that's the way I saw it when I was 16. Please note it was very different around the 2004 elections, a great place for politics and such (since I was still interested in that sort of thing). I just wanted to point out exactly what I expected to find (these people are so damn predictable. I usually make comments pointing out how dull and backwards everyone there is. I'm not trying to give them a voice on my blog, just showing how open-minded we are compared to your basic internet slime. The backlash is mainly because most of these people are "liberals", though not really, they're like my dad, they just want to fit in with the Socialist crowd so they say they're liberal while practicing conservative politics. Some of them are probably Masons as well, I wouldn't be surprised with how obsessed they are with being "anti-conspiracy") This stuff makes me laugh, for a different reason than they probably want:
Fark comments:
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cue the twilight zone music.
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I think that guy's tin foil hat wears a tin foil hat.
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Full blown, stark, raving mad.
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I do agree that Obama's grandfather looks like Gus Grissom. I mean a LOT.
As in "that may actually BE Gus in the photo" a lot.
But the Freemason crap is stupid.
(*sigh* why can't people put two and two together?)
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A raving loon, yet he has a couple of legitimately published books, albeit missives about pop culture media.
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What a waste of bandwidth.
As a 32nd degree Mason, I have to ask him if Xenu is coming next...
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And there you have it. Masons on the internet (and brainwashed drones) are pretty much the only people saying "this is all bullshit".
Just thought that was weird, since I visit that site every day to search for news stories, and seeing Chris's site on there seemed out of place and I knew it wasn't going to be received well by the Fark hivemind.
Now, if my site got linked, you can bet I'd be in the comments defending my views. I'm thinking about defending Chris in the comments for his story that got linked, but I'm not sure he'd be comfortable with that (and since debating with these people is absolutely pointless). The people making the least-inflammatory comments are the people who have been on there longer than I've been there, and I'm surprised they're still there considering the quality of the site has gone straight down the toilet.
Update: Checking back on the Fark site, it looks like Loren Coleman's Twilight Language made the front page as well. They linked to this story.
Another Mason commenter posted on Chris's article:
I know, we're so secretive about being Masons that don't do things like get masonic ink, wear masonic ringg and hats, put stickers and emblems on our vehicles, etc. We're proud of being Masons and show it as often as prudent.
And my response:
Yeah, that keeps you out of trouble with the law because all the cops are freemasons too and you're under a blood oath to help eachother (but no one else). No one knows the symbols of a freemason besides other freemasons so you're not "advertising" it at all.
I've never had an opportunity to talk to a mason, but you seem to talk to us non-masons a lot, and any sort of conspiracy stuff you just shrug off like there's nothing strange that happens in the world, even though your whole ideology revolves around symbolism and ritual. You are the reason there are so many people in the dark about everything.
I apologize for buying in to anger, I'm probably not going to that site anymore anyway.
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Hivemind groupthink is so prevalent, Tommy. The internet creates these self-policing communities that all share a brain. It's a road to cultural death as well, since all they can do is attack those they perceive as enemies. I went on another site because some of these nerd/skeptic types were attacking alternative medicine and I presented real data to refute them and you know how they responded?
They deleted all of my responses.
Tommy, Chris leaves himself wide open for ridicule given, for example, his constant reference to comic books, which are, just that: comic books.
David Icke is the same, he went on a chat show about 15 years ago, claining the queen was a reptile etc. etc. Yet now he is on Red Ice, talking Lisbon Treaty etc etc
Therefore, you need to think.
I am not saying they are dodgy, but they do no favours in terms of the provable truth.
cheers
The emptier the mind the bigger the arsehole...
I just commented over at Chris' blog concerning this. I await raids on my blog with piss and venom 4Chan style. Ha!
I think it's wrong to assume comic books are "just comic books", when they are just as much a form of media as a movie. The symbolism is there.
I just don't like seeing people I respect being made fun of.
I have other reasons for not liking the type of people giving Chris shit. They're just backwards, negative-attention whores.
The mythical narrative of our age is featured as much in comic books as any other medium I feel. Perhaps much more so than any other right now. Whatever your viewpoint may be between the spectrum of, say, preditive programming/societal conditioning and of its creators being plugged into the cosmic weird juice producing items of brilliance, the comic book medium is just another text to read and interpret.
A myth to study besides what is traditionally regarded as the "serious stuff."
However much of the serious stuff can be found within the pages of the funny books.
I agree Tommy, butlook at the bigger picture. Ignore Chris and look at Icke.
He appears on a chat show - the chat show at the time - dressed in turquoise and talking reptiles. Therefore the vast majority ridicule him abnd, most importantly, still do.
So, lets say there is a collective truth consciousness opening in the individual mind. They log on computer, see red ice, see lisbon treaty, are interested, then see Icke. Unconsciously, they are switched right off.
Yet you need a majority to change something, unless you use force.
Not trying to be a prick, or have a go at Chris. It is just a perspective.
cheers brian
Ps, I comic books are comic books, in that movies are movies, in that media is media. They are all created, you may believe you know by whom but, unless you personally know the author, I am afraid you dont.
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Speaking of comic books and so I have my full on geek glasses on here. I think that's why I relate with Rorschach so much in the Watchmen comics cause on an individual basis I really fucking hate people but as a whole I care.
Everyone nowadays wants to prove something to everyone else and people very seldom like to be proven wrong and/or open their mind to see the world a different way, fuck them.
Liberals & conservatories, I can't stand either, fuck collectivism, IMO thats why all these people think a certain way cause they so want to be part of a group (conspiracy or anti-conspiracy). Ever been to one of those conspiracy site where they are claiming that all the "truthers" are also part of the conspiracy? see what I am getting at.
IMO Chris and others like him should just keep moving forward cause the people that "get it" will gravitate there, these other close minded fucks, who cares what they think, they are the ones so disconnected with reality anyways.
Ok I am officially rambling now, time to go get my tin foil hat on.
To clarify something my comment that directly followed that of Newspaceman, "The emptier the mind the bigger the arsehole..., was directed at those who made the comments at Fark and at Chris' blog. The 'spaceman's comment was not up when I replied.
Newspaceman - I don't claim to know exactly who is putting out what message, but I have a good idea, from following a pattern that we have all observed at one point or another. I'm aware of what Icke did and the result of it, but that perspective eventually found itself even to my eyes and at the time it didn't seem too ridiculous, and it seemed more metaphorical than anything. I think the people who pull off evil shit think they're reptilian aliens, but they really aren't. They're just insane humans with too much power over the rest of us.
I have faced alienation from everyone besides you guys for my thoughts and my viewpoint concerning the system we all seem to live under. Thanks for that.
C - Sounds like you respect and love humanity, but dislike the way some people treat their opportunity to be conscious and alive. I can relate.
Just for clarification, I am not ridiculing anyone's persepective/theories/ point of view, nor agreeing with anyone.
Just pointing out the way some people think.
Again, no offence meant to anyone.
cheers brian
Oh Newspaceman, I know you didn't just try to equate Chris Knowles' work to David Icke's.
First, Chris writes clearly and in an even tone, compared to the eyesore that is David Icke's writing. I mean, who underlines on the web? Icke's website reads like an 80s era direct mail piece, but that's because he's selling sensationalism.
David Icke is a megalomaniac offering revelation for the price of admission. He begins his articles, talks and interviews with outrageous statements, often based on evidence which cannot be independently verified. David doesn't debate the merits of his conclusions, he vehemently attacks anyone who questions them.
At his wildest, Chris Knowles may use two exclamation marks at the end of "This is Insane!!" Even if the connections Chris draws are fantastic, they're reasoned, based on mainstream philosophy and supported by fact. Chris (artfully) refrains from drawing conclusions for his readers, not only permits but acknowledges readers' dissenting opinions, and his blogs are strictly noncommercial.
Meanwhile, David's career is built on stirring up anger and hate for financial gain. David's trying to get elected now, because his Jesus/Prophet act no longer draws in the crowds, and he's got to make a living.
The only similarity between the two men is that they both publicly entertain the idea of non-human intelligence, and both claim that a certain amount of social engineering is exercised through mass media. The former is something that prominent figures like Stephen Hawking and Bill Clinton have done, and the latter has been proven time and time again to be true.
Chris was wise to dismiss the childish reactions of the Fark audience as 'groupthink'. After all, the purpose of Fark is to ridicule stories, in three sentences or less. However, I bet that not all the visitors Fark sent over are silly, stupid and mean. I bet some of them have been infected with the meme, and will come back for more. Because really, Secret Sun is a great read.
"anti-conspiracy", No shit!
It seems to me that head strong conspiracy folks are meeting an equal opposite reaction. ONE VS Smith. That's why its important to become ONE in order create the neo-human. All we have is our intuition and with that we are really pissing 'them' off. We conspiracy people are tapping into their turf. And we're doing it via comic books and captain crunch. We're here to show them NO ONE is in control. We are the anomaly. And no matter what they do or say we're still gonna freak them out by discovering the truth without them. And we're doing it by analyzing there products with spiritual minds. Like Jake said...Crop circles. Its all crop circles.
Lynnertic - I've visited that site for a long time now (and yeah you're probably right about most of the people who visit but don't comment) and alot of them are really smart. They're not stupid, people who bait trolls with inflammatory headlines are, though. If anyone of them come to my site, they will recognize a lot of stories featured on Fark. I'm a regular, and I definitely don't hate all of them. I'm probably not going to visit as often now, though.
Lynnertic, you have it sussed. Any ideas though why Red Ice are promoting Icke and his "Treaty of Lisbon" ideas. @ 3.3 euros subscription.
http://newspaceman.blogspot.com/2007/12/going-back-to-our-roots.html
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Sorry Tommy, just went and smoked a huge joint of proper Afghan black and am still fucking boiling at the shite I just read.
Forgeting that, for a second, you have to understand that Icke went on the Wogan show (like maybe Opray) dressed in a turquoise shell suit and claiming he was the god-head and that reptilians, disguised as humans, were in abundance, all around the rest of us.
Let me disect the rest of the esteemed JK( joke) comment:
"We're here to show them NO ONE is in control."
My fucking arse no one is in control, who hold the nuclear weapons.
"We are the anomaly"
From dictionary:
"Deviation or departure from the normal or common order"
Why, cause you read comic books and Kotze ? You pay taxes ? If so, you are hardly an anomaly in their eyes. Could you maybe also classify your definition of "normal order"
"And no matter what they do or say we're still gonna freak them out by discovering the truth without them."
This makes little sense. Why would it freak "them" out if you find the truth, which insinuates firstly, that you (and Kotze etc) dont know it. Secondly, it insinuates that they believe doing or saying something would stop you (finding the truth) - which I find unlikely. Thirsdly, that you finding it (which "they" must know by insinuatuion) would freak them out. Why. How do they know it. How can you discuss it if you dont know what it is.
"And we're doing it by analyzing there products with spiritual minds."
What products of theres (sic) are you analysing. Are you claiming crop circles to be a product of their manipulation ? Are you talking about all consumer goods ?
Let me know.
cheers
This whole thing makes me mad. It probably wasn't a good idea to pay attention to it in the first place but to me it was a pretty huge synchronicity. The synchronistic stuff is slowly leaking into the mainstream news coverage, but with an added bias which points towards the impossibly mundane and soulless.
"Let me disect the rest of the esteemed JK( joke) comment:" Nice ;p
"My fucking arse no one is in control, who hold the nuclear weapons."
All those things are material and a part of the projection we call reality. Although they ensue FEAR we must realize that's an emotion best not served at all.
"We are the anomaly"
I was referencing The Matrix and what "they" refer to us as.
"Why, cause you read comic books and Kotze ? You pay taxes ? If so, you are hardly an anomaly in their eyes. Could you maybe also classify your definition of "normal order""
I'm really REALLY not NORMAL man.
"And no matter what they do or say we're still gonna freak them out by discovering the truth without them."
I mean that "they" can try and control us and subdue us but they're never gonna control the fact that I can listen to whatever I want to make with my mind. And ultimately they just want us to be obedient workers with limited, simple questions. That's why civilizations in the pooper. Cause the system is tring to enforce its rules of numbers and restraints on people who want nothing to do with it. Well some.
"And we're doing it by analyzing there products with spiritual minds."
I mean things like, Hollywood, cars, toothpaste.... anything material basically.
We can be the singing, dancing shite of the world or...we can try and find sanity in the understanding of human things rather than material.
Sorry for looking like such a douche bag on your blog Tommy. I don't make sense at the best of times.
Space man thanks for caring enough to analyze my comment. I'm not full of facts or intelligent things. I'm just a guy who loves Synchmyst. Its an art form. Art doesn't make sense to everyone.
You're not being a douchebag at all. I don't feel too strongly either way about this, and I'm not going to censor what someone wanted to say through my site.
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